Finding my religion

Finding my religion

A spiritual consumer’s guide to Ventura County’s best spiritual experiences

By Butch Warner 08/25/2011

Struggling for meaning in your life? Losing your religion? Did you turn against the religion you were born into because of those sadistic nuns, that weird deacon or that hypocritical Rabbi? Or were you simply born into an agnostic home and suddenly feel the need for some spirituality in your life? Or maybe you’re on vacation at the beach and feel the need to “cheat” a little with a new religion, just for the thrill of it. Don’t worry; when you pray in Ventura, it stays in Ventura.

In this article we’ll offer expert unbiased ratings and reviews on the available religions, information that empowers you to make the best decision on shopping for a brand-new religion in Ventura County.

We urge you to be nonjudgmental, even though some religious notions may seem strange to you. For example, the smash Broadway play “Book of Mormon” lampoons the Mormon notion that Jesus traveled to America and anointed Joseph Smith. The truth is that all popular religious notions as viewed by a first-time observer may seem a bit odd.

Religion in Ventura County
In Ventura County, the number of religious adherents, or people affiliated with a religious congregation, in the last Census was 335,672 out of a total population of more than 800,000 (45 percent); nationwide, the total is about 50 percent. Of those who declared a religion, 89 percent are Christians, which includes Catholics (66 percent), Protestants, evangelical, and other denominations. Less than 6 percent are Jewish, and about 5 percent are Buddhist, Wicca, Muslim, Scientologist, Baha’i or other denomination.

Religion and spirituality
People who say “I’m spiritual, but not religious,” are right up there with those who say, “I’m vegetarian, but I eat chicken and fish,” in terms of cliché value. Clichés notwithstanding, in this article we will differentiate between religion and spirituality, instead placing religion as a subset of that larger, more embracing category.

Atheists and agnostics
The traditional notion is that atheists actively believe that there is no god, while agnostics say there’s no way of knowing. The demographics of atheists and agnostics are difficult to quantify, because people interpret these terms in different ways, and because some people are reluctant to deny religion openly. According to a Pew Research Center analysis, “One in five adults does not identify with a religion of any kind.”

Religion and psychology
Sigmund Freud thought religion was an illusion. He viewed religious belief as infantile and neurotic. Carl Jung, on the other hand, viewed spirituality as essential to the Self, and used the term “collective unconscious” to describe the phenomenon that human beings from all over the planet create similar religions. He also spoke of “vital spiritual experiences … huge emotional displacements” as distinct from religion.

What do you want?
Do you want an easy religion that doesn’t expect much from you in terms of time or money? Then stay away from Latter Day Saints (Mormons) or Jehovah’s Witnesses. Do you want to reconnect with your heritage? Do you want to hobnob with people who earn more than average in the hopes that some of this financial fortune will rub off? Then maybe Hinduism is the religion for you. Or possibly you need strict moral guidelines. If so, Christianity with its Ten Commandments, or Orthodox Judaism with its Talmudic Law, might be right up your alley.

Want a shortcut to salvation? Then Islam or Christianity might be for you, since both promise a wealth of spiritual rewards in the afterlife if you only believe and behave.

What, exactly is religion?
A great wit and psychiatrist, the late Dr. Lee Bloom, once said, “The difference between schizophrenia, a cult and religion depends on how many people agree with you.”

For the sake of expedience and for the purposes of this article, the definition of religion is “A group of people sharing a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices concerning the existence of and worship of superhuman controlling power(s), especially a personal God or gods.”

Religions usually have organized behaviors, clerical hierarchies, regular meetings, holy places and sacred scriptures. Religion may also include sermons, sacrifices, festivals, trance, initiations, funerary services, matrimonial services, meditation, music, art and dance.

The Religions
The Bahá’í Faith was founded in the 19th century in Iran and since then has spread worldwide. It teaches unity of all religious philosophies and accepts all of the prophets of Judaism, Christianity and Islam as well as additional prophets, including its founder Bahá’u’lláh. For more information, call (800) 228‑6483

bBuddhism was founded by Guatama Siddhartha in the 6th century B.C. Buddhists believe that human beings can end their suffering (dukkha) by understanding the “true nature” of things and events, and in so doing escape the cycle of suffering and rebirth, eventually achieving nirvana, or a state of bliss or peace. This state may be experienced in life, or it may be entered into at death. Beliefs vary significantly across various sects and schools, but all share an admiration for the figure of the Buddha and the goal of ending suffering and the cycle of rebirth.

Approximations for worldwide number of Buddhists are between 350 million and more than 1 billion. There are now more than 1 million American Buddhists, and Buddhist concepts have greatly influenced Americans and Californians, primarily in the areas of meditation and nonviolence. For more information, go to

Christianity began initially in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago, and then spread to the Near East, ultimately becoming the state church of the Roman Empire in A.D. 380. The religion of all of Europe in the Middle Ages, it expanded throughout the world, and is now the world’s largest religion.

Christians are monotheistic, but almost all Christians believe in the Trinity, which teaches the unity of Father, Son (Jesus Christ) and Holy Spirit as three entities in one godhead. Christians believe that Jesus, the Son of God made man, visited the earth 2,000 years ago, performed hundreds of miracles, was nailed to a cross, rose from the dead, and in so doing eradicated “original sin” from mankind. Christians also believe in forgiveness through confession to a priest, and in redemption through prayer and faith. Christians, like Jews, believe that the Ten Commandments are a template for righteous behavior.

Most Christians believe that their religion is the only true religion, and that non-Christians must be converted or they will be condemned to hell, an inferno where sinners suffer throughout eternity.

Thirty percent of the respondents in our VCR survey identified themselves simply as “Christians,” and many of them seemed baffled when asked which branch of Christianity they adhered to. Christians, of course include Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, Episcopalians and other Protestant churches.

The main divisions of Christianity are, according to the number of adherents:
Catholicism: Staunch Catholics believe that all other religions are false and that their adherents will go to hell, in the “infallibility” (inability to make a mistake) of the Pope, the divinity of Jesus, the three-part nature of God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). Catholics are usually not Bible thumpers, although it is officially their basic text.

Catholicism is also the world’s richest religion (although, in this country, Jews and Hindi are the richest adherents), with holdings that surpass those of many large countries. For more information, call 643-4318.

The Eastern Orthodox Church, officially called the Orthodox Catholic Church, is the prevailing Christian denomination in the majority of Slavic countries (including Russia), as well as Romania, Moldova, Greece, Cyprus and Georgia. It considers itself to be the official religion established by Jesus Christ and his apostles almost 2,000 years ago.

Orthodoxy is the second largest Christian communion in the world, with an estimated 300 million adherents.

Fundamentalism: Christian Fundamentalism, also known as Fundamentalist Christianity, is defined by its literal interpretation of the Bible (which is considered infallible or unerring), the need for personal conversion (or being “born again”), and actively expressing and sharing the gospel. Jehovah’s Witnesses and many of the “televangelists” are fundamentalists. For more information, go to,class,church,scfips,06111.cfm.

Mormonism/Latter Day Saints: Mormons believe that Jesus traveled to America and anointed Joseph Smith, an American religious leader and the founder of the Latter Day Saints movement. The Mormon Church has four officially canonized books of scripture, of which the Bible is one.  The “Mormon Bible” is actually The Book of Mormon. LDS theology states that in order to make it to the highest kingdom of heaven, you must pay a full and honest tithe, basically one-tenth of after-expense income. Also: no coffee, no drugs, no tobacco. When we die, our spirits are separated from our bodies, and if we were good they go to “spirit paradise.” If we were bad they go to “spirit prison.”

In the LDS religion any worthy male can be given the priesthood and is given specific duties. Black people were not allowed to have the priesthood until 1978. Females are not allowed to have the priesthood.

About 5 percent of Ventura County residents are Mormons. For more information, call 482-7112.

Protestantism is the broad category of religions resulting from separation from the Catholic Church in the Reformation.

This movement began in Germany in the early 16th century as a reaction against medieval Roman Catholic doctrines and practices. The main denominations in the U.S. are Lutheran, Methodist, Baptist, Calvinist, Congregational, Presbyterian and Reformed. For more information, go to

Unitarian Universalism is characterized by support for a “free and responsible search for truth and meaning,” and it has a wide range of beliefs and practices. Unitarians do not actually have shared beliefs, but rather are unified by their shared search for spiritual growth. They do not believe in “obedience to an authoritarian requirement.” Unitarianism and Universalism have pedigrees in Christianity, but followers may be atheists, agnostics, theists or any point in between.

Hinduism, the third-largest religion in the world, is an ancient religion with no recognized date of origin or founder. Hinduism is a diverse system of thought with beliefs spanning monotheism (one god), polytheism (many gods), pantheism (Nature equals god), atheism, and agnosticism, among others. The term Hinduism comes from the word India and is actually part of a variety of religious paths that have developed in India over thousands of years. Most Hindus worship one or more deities, practice meditation and observe celebratory holidays like Holi and Diwali. Most Hindi do not eat cows, and many are total vegetarians.

Hinduism is a colloquial term describing the similar philosophies of Vaishnavism, Shaivism and interrelated groups that originated on the Indian subcontinent. Concepts most of them share include karma (the sum of a person’s actions in this and previous states of existence, viewed as deciding one’s fate in future existences), caste, reincarnation, mantras (short prayers repeated in a soothing, hypnotic fashion), and darśana (philosophical systems or viewpoints on the nature of reality and the release from bondage to karma).

In the U.S., Hindi have the highest average income of any religious adherents. For more information, call 639-0334.

Islam: An adherent of Islam is called a Muslim. Muslims believe in one god, and their basic text is the Quran, considered to be the word of God, Allah. Muslims also abide by the teachings and example of Muhammad (also spelled Muhammed, Mohammad or Mohammed), who lived from A.D. 570 to 632. Muhammad founded Islam in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, in A.D. 610.

Muslims also believe that Islam is the complete and universal version of a primal faith that was revealed many times and places before, through Abraham, Moses and Jesus, whom they consider prophets. Many Muslims, like Christians, believe in angels who deliver God’s message to his chosen prophets, and record what we say and do. There are angels of death and angels of heaven and hell.

Islam is the second-largest religion and one of the fastest-growing religions in the world. As with Christianity, there is no single orthodoxy in Islam but a multitude of traditions.

There is no evidence that Muslim teachings are any more violent than other world religions.

Judaism: originated in ancient Israel and Judea, and predates Christianity and Islam by more than 3,000 years. It is a monotheistic religion whose adherents believe they descend from the Jewish patriarch Abraham. Judaism’s basic texts are 1) the Torah, a large part of the Old Testament, and 2) the Talmud, which comprises Jewish law, ethics, philosophy, customs and history.

The three largest Jewish denominations — Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism — maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose. “Chosenness” is the traditional belief that the Jews are the Chosen People.

Orthodox Jews go to synagogue three times a day, and men always wear a skullcap (yarmulke or kippah in Hebrew) on their heads, and do not work or operate machinery on the Sabbath, Saturday. Reform Jews do not generally follow the most stringent customs, but “observant” Jews attend Temple regularly and celebrate feasts like Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashanah. Today there are about 13 million Jews on the planet, about 40 percent living in Israel and 40 percent in the U.S.

Ventura County now boasts about 50,000 Jews. (In 1979, the Jewish populations in VC were so small that no one bothered to take a count.) The total Jewish population of California is about 2 percent, and Jews in Ventura County number around 6 percent. Jews are also the second-richest religious adherents in the U.S., after Hindi. For more information, call 658-7441.

cNative American/indigenous religions: Native Americans believe their spiritual beliefs are a necessary part of their existence and cannot be separated from their life experience.

Traditional Native American religions are diverse, because of the separation of the different tribes across North American for thousands of years, but often involve more than one deity or “universal force.” Native American religion is closely connected to the land, with emphasis, as with most religions, on the supernatural. Common concepts are taboos, spirits, visions, shamans, and communal ceremonies often involve the use of psychoactive plants like psilocybin.

sScientology is a body of beliefs and practices created by science fiction author L. Ron Hubbard in 1953. Scientologists believe that an alien named Xenu was the dictator of the “Galactic Confederacy” who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of his people to Earth in a DC-8 like spacecraft. Then Xenu killed them, using hydrogen bombs. Official Scientology dogma holds that the spirits of these people still remain, and that they cause spiritual harm to modern humans. Scientology is legally recognized as a tax-exempt religion in the United States.

Scientology sponsors a variety of social service programs, including the Narconon anti-drug program and the Criminon prison rehabilitation program. Its moral guidelines are expressed in a booklet called “The Way to Happiness.” For more information, call 644-3993.

Wicca: No discussion of religion in Ventura County would be complete without a reference to Wicca. Wicca is a belief system based upon the revival of pre-Christian traditions that originated in what are now parts of the United Kingdom. Its adherents claim that, “Contrary to what those who choose to persecute or lie about us wish to believe, Wicca is a very peaceful, harmonious and balanced way of life which promotes oneness with the divine and all which exists. To be a Witch is to be a healer, a teacher, a seeker, a giver, and a protector of all things. If this path is yours, may you walk it with honor, light and integrity.” (

Zoroastrianism is a religion and philosophy based on the teachings of prophet Zoroaster in the 6th century B.C. The Zoroastrians worship the Creator Ahura Mazda. In Zoroastrianism, good and evil have distinct sources, with evil trying to destroy the creation of Mazda, and good trying to sustain it. For more information, call (818) 610-8610.   

George (Butch) Warner, MA, CADC, IMF is a music therapist and addiction specialist in Studio City and Pasadena.


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Your "expert unbiased ratings" are missing when it comes to Scientology. Why use pictures of anonymous on the cover for it? Would you use a picture of the KKK to represent the black community?

posted by 01 on 8/26/11 @ 10:17 a.m.

In response to "01": please are the "expert unbiased ratings" missing for Scientology? I see nothing incorrect in this article about Scientology.

As for using pictures of Anonymous: your comparison is invalid. The KKK is a racist hate group working to subjugate minorities, whose members have a long history of committing terroristic crimes against blacks. Whereas, Anonymous is a peaceful organization that protests the human-rights abuses perpetrated by the church of Scientology on its adherents. A more appropriate comparison would be, say, gay rights activists protesting against the Westboro Baptist Church (the religious fanatics who carry "God Hates Fags" signs at military funerals). In either case, it certainly is appropriate to include photos of those who protest against a controversial church in an article about that church. It's all part of the story.

posted by LeeAnne on 8/29/11 @ 08:37 p.m.

I respect Butch Warner's bravura in including Scientology's Xenu dogma in his article - especially given Scientology's penchant for "fair gaming" anyone who makes them look bad publicly. And one cannot deny that openly publicizing the previously secret Xenu story makes them look pretty darn silly.

(If you don't know what "fair game" means: it's the church's policies and practices towards individuals or groups who are judged to be a threat to the Church and, according to the policy, can be punished and harassed using any and all means possible. Official church documents state they should be "deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed.")

It is an indisputable fact that Xenu is a key aspect of Scientology's belief system, so no description of Scientology as a religion would be complete without it. Of course, Scientologists will deny this - mainly because they don't know about him! Bizarrely, the church will not allow its own adherents to learn about Xenu until they achieve "Operating Thetan (OT) 3" level, which can take years and costs well over $150,000...something most Scientologists can't it's no surprise that most of them have never actually heard of him. But in the age of the Internet it's pretty hard to keep things like that secret, and the actual writings of L. Ron Hubbard about Xenu (the "OT3" texts) have leaked out to the public via court documents, Internet message boards, and actual copies of Hubbard's notes.

While I admire Mr. Warner's courage, however, I'm not so sure Scientology belongs on this list. While Scientology managed to obtain tax exempt status as a "church" due to years of expensive litigation against the IRS, it really is not a religion. It's a highly profitable business that sells books and "auditing" services at extremely high prices to its public members, inflating its profits by essentially enslaving its employees, who are forced to work insane hours, get paid pennies per hour, and live in hellish conditions. It is in every sense a cult, which rips apart families and destroys lives.

Anyone seriously interested in this dangerous cult should check out this link first:

posted by LeeAnne on 8/29/11 @ 08:37 p.m.

How pleased I was, at first, to see an article in the VC Reporter about this subject and especially one that included my religion. How shocked I was to read such an unbelievably absurd description of my beliefs. The author of this article had obviously taken 5 minutes to visit to present a truthful summary of that religion, but could not take 5 minutes to visit to meet his own claim to presenting an “expert and unbiased review”.

ROFLMAO to Butch Warner’s rating not only of Scientology, but of other religions including Christianity as “highly incredulous, very warlike” and that Native American ceremonies “often use psilocybin”. I’m guessing most of this research came not from his own expertise but from the best source on the internet for getting an F on a term paper, Wikipedia.

The villainous Anonymous mask on the cover broadcasts the not so subtle discriminatory nature of Mr. Warner’s article. It may as well be the author wearing the mask, expressing his true disdain for religion. If the VC Reporter has any interest in true and honest reporting you will correct this travesty by publishing a truly unbiased summary of Scientology beliefs.

Do what Mr. Warner failed to do and visit It will only take you 5 minutes.

posted by dcintron on 9/05/11 @ 12:31 p.m.

Ah...I see that OSA has found this site. Get ready to see all kinds of insane inanity, total lack of logic, and a distinct inability to tell the truth on glaring display from the brainwashed Scientologists. (OSA is the "Office of Special Affairs", the arm of Scientology that is tasked with attacking critics of the "church".)

So, dcintron, tell us: what part of Mr. Warner's account about Scientology's beliefs isn't accurate? Can you answer that question? Or will you simply follow up with more baseless attacks without actually saying what's not accurate in this article?

Let's get to the meat of it: are you trying to say that the Xenu story ISN'T part of Scientology's dogma? That would be pretty silly, since your OT-III level consists *solely* of the Xenu story exactly as Mr. Warner describes it, written in LRH's own handwriting...which was admitted by Scientology in various court cases, and has been published in its entirety on the internet for anyone to see it. Have YOU seen it yet? If not, click here:

Scientology is a dangerous cult perpetrating human rights abuses. It destroys lives, rips families apart, and even KILLS. Google "Lisa McPherson". It makes kids as young as 9 yrs old sign "billion year contracts" to work in their "Sea Org" (headquarters), then forces them to work 100 hour weeks for $50 a week in pay, horrendous living conditions, terrible food, and no medical coverage. If a Sea Org employee actually gets sick and needs medical care, they kick them out of the church on some trumped-up "ethics" violation so they don't have to pay their medical bills. These are all documented facts.

Read "Blown for Good" by Marc Headley. Or, read "Inside Scientology" by Janet Reitman, a book that was just released and is zooming up the best-seller lists. Both of those books will tell you all you need to know about this dangerous criminal organization.

dcintron: your doubts are real. Scientology cannot "clear the planet". It can't even clear one person - there's no such thing as "clear". There's no such thing as an "engram", and there's no such thing as "body thetans". It's all a scam, for the sole purpose of getting money. Blow now. There are people out there who will help will not be alone.

posted by LeeAnne on 9/06/11 @ 11:22 p.m.

LeeAnne, you're not making any sense. If most Scientologists do not know about this, then this is certainly does not represent the beliefs of most Church members. So this article is wrong by your own claims. Here is the truth:

Scientology is a truly unique contemporary religion—the only new major religion to emerge in the twentieth century. That said, Scientology religious beliefs follow the older tradition of Eastern religion dating back to the Vedic Hymns. Namely, that one is a spiritual being who has lived lifetime after lifetime, that spiritual enlightenment is attainable through knowledge, and that only through spiritual enlightenment can one fully understand and comprehend the Creator. Moreover, the understanding of one’s Creator is a matter of personal enlightenment and must be acknowledged by the individual—the spiritual being—himself.

While the Scientology religion owes a spiritual debt to the Eastern faiths, it was born in the West and its religious beliefs are expressed in the technological language of the mid-twentieth century. Scientology adds a precise and workable technology for applying spiritual concepts to every aspect of life.

Scientology holds that Man is basically good and that his spiritual salvation depends upon himself, his relationships with his fellows and his attainment of brotherhood with the universe. In that regard, Scientology is a religion in the most profound sense of the word, for it is concerned with no less than the full rehabilitation of Man’s innate spiritual self—his capabilities, his awareness and his certainty of his own immortality.

posted by dcintron on 9/07/11 @ 11:44 a.m.

dcintron, the reason most Scientologists don't know about Xenu is that the Xenu story is not revealed to them until they reach one of the upper levels of the church, which takes years and costs upwards of $150,000. Few Scientologists can afford this. The Xenu story is hidden from anyone not yet at OT-III (what level are you at?), and members are prevented from learning about it by telling them that even hearing about Xenu before they are "prepared" (e.g. have paid enough money and completed all the levels up to OT-III) could kill them. Funny thing is, LOTS of people, including many Scientologists and former Scientologists who haven't reached OT-III, have learned all about Xenu - and not one documented death. It's all over the internet now...and it's been admitted in open court by church officials that the OT-III materials ARE a key part of its dogma, written by LRH.

Scientology is the ONLY known religion that actually hides its key tenets from its own members, requiring them to buy their way into the knowledge. Can you imagine portions of the Bible being held back until Christians paid thousands of dollars to gain access to them?

I agree that it doesn't make sense. *Scientology* doesn't make sense. The whole point of the organization is to sell expensive courses, auditing services and overpriced books, CDs and DVDs to its public members, and generate huge profits for the organization that it spends on real estate investments and the overindulgent, extravagant lifestyle of David Miscavige. It increases its profits by conscripting its unwealthy adherents into what is essentially indentured servitude in the Sea Org, pressuring them to sign "billion-year" contracts, and then forcing them to live and work in horrific conditions for pennies an hour. This is all substantiated and in fact admitted by the "church" itself (see the Marc & Claire Headley court decision).

Your description of Scientology is the way it describes itself at its very lowest levels, to attract naive spiritual seekers who think this may be a path to enlightenment. But once they sign up for their first course or auditing session, they get sucked in and are unable to escape. Those who try to leave are harassed, stalked, intimidated, and threatened with disconnection; it's worse if one's family is involved, because if you are disconnected (declared an SP, or an enemy of the church, which anyone who tries to leave is), then your family is forced to disconnect from you. This strategy is well documented in the books I mentioned above ("Blown for Good", "Inside Scientology") and many websites created by former Scientologists who have been torn from their own families for the "crime" of not wanting to be a Scientologist anymore.

posted by LeeAnne on 9/07/11 @ 01:08 p.m.

dcintron, ask yourself these questions:

Do you support religious freedom? If so, do you condemn Scientology's attempts to deny religious freedom to those practicing Scientology outside the corporate hierarchy? (In accordance with Scientology's written policy on "squirrel groups", Scientology agents have infiltrated congregations and sued former Scientologists to deny them access to Scientology scriptures.) What have you done to protest Scientology's attacks on freedom of religion?

Is Scientology compatible with other religions? How do you reconcile Scientology's claim that Scientologists can belong to other faiths with Scientology's teaching that "There was no Christ" and that Christianity is an implant given to us by space aliens, and Scientology's statement to the IRS that Scientologists are expected to look exclusively to Scientology on spiritual matters?

Why was Scientology charged with two felonies (practicing medicine without a license and abuse and/or neglect of a disabled adult) in Lisa McPherson's death?

Why was Lisa held against her will and drugged, according to Scientology's own logs?

Why have so many people reportedly been held against their will by Scientology? (Just a few examples: Michael Pattinson, Janice Hayward, Roxanne Friend, Dee Rowe, Marianne Coenan, Dorothy Geary, Moira Hutchinson, Dennis Ehrlich, Stacy Young, Birgitta Dagnell, Hana Whitfield, Margery Wakefield, Annie Rosenblum, and Gerry Armstrong.)

The book "Dianetics" promises that Dianetic processing can give people perfect memories and greatly improved health, based on extensive scientific research. Why does Scientology continue to promote the book when Scientology's never provided any scientific evidence; the scientific study done in the 50's disproved the existence of engrams; and no "Clear" has ever demonstrated having perfect memory or any of the other abilities promised in the book? Isn't that fraud?

Do you think religious freedom gives people the right to hurt other people and break the law? What do you think of Scientology's Fair Game policy, which states that an enemy of Scientology "May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of the Scientologist. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed."? Why does Scientology officially claim the policy was cancelled in 1968, when they argued in court - twice (in the late 70s and mid 80s) - that it was a core belief of Scientology and deserved the protection of the First Amendment?

Why does Scientology's version of founder L. Ron Hubbard's life - details about his childhood, his education, his war record, his mistreatment of his wives and his children, his convictions for fraud and extortion in France - differ so completely from the hard evidence found in his college transcripts, his military records, and court documents? Is Scientology lying about Hubbard? If so, why?

Help is available to you. Visit

posted by LeeAnne on 9/07/11 @ 01:09 p.m.

LOL it is funny how easily you moralfags are to get going. Two people show up that happen to like scientology and it triggers a full blown rage. Maybe you guys should chill out and do some Dianetics or something, whatever you are doing is not working. Because right now you kinda sound like the American History X guy during his dinner rant.

posted by Anon on 9/09/11 @ 10:50 a.m.

Lee..."Anonymous is a peaceful organization that protests the human-rights" oh yeah If you go to the KKK's website they say pretty much the same crap you guys say but it is themed around black people instead of scientology. I guess the KKK is not a hate group just like Anonymous.
Yeah and Showing anonymous is the same as showing the KKK to portray blacks.
KKK is a group that opposes blacks
Anonymous is a group that opposes Scientology
The KKK is a group made up of white people
Anonymous is a group made up of people that watched and liked V for vendetta.
While the use of the Westburrow Baptist Church could be "accurate" to portray Christians it would not be accurate to portray homosexuals because the WBC is made up of christians and not homosexuals. So the use of Anonymous on the cover is wrong because anonymous is not made up of Scientologists but could be made up of homosexuals. So your logic fails, just like your long-winded copy-pasta moralfag arguments.

posted by Anon on 9/09/11 @ 11:18 a.m.

I notice that not a one of you bothered to answer any of my questions. You just make baseless comparisons of "Anonymous" to the KKK - which is absurd on its face.

The KKK is a hate group that opposes and oppresses people based on their race, seeking to violently assert its supremacy over those it considers less-than-human.

Anonymous is a human-rights group that protests a criminal organization that commits human rights abuses, seeking to end the abuse and save the abused from further harm.

No comparison.

Try answering some of the questions posed above. Until then, you just come across as bots spewing the cult madness.

posted by LeeAnne on 9/13/11 @ 11:13 a.m.
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